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	<title>Comments on: 239:. Practices of Effective Worship/Creative Ministries &#8211; 1</title>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Chris...

I think the better question...
How do we manage what is impossible to quantify? 

And I think that you are right in that we break out those things that are quantifiable and perfect them and we leave the rest up God.  

I think the hard balance here is making sure that we don&#039;t raise that which is quantifiable (ie. number of wrong notes, number of hours rehearsing, number of people saying &quot;the music was awesome&quot;) to an inappropriate level.  Because, though it is definitely important, it isn&#039;t in the end why we are there.  

As Mike says all the time &quot;The one thing that God wants from us is the one thing we can hide from everyone.&quot; A win happens when everyone leading is doing so out of the right motive and intention...which in the end can only known by God.  

So for me the real win is being able to TRUST that those leading with you are there for the right reasons...

So as far as managing a team ... I guess the goal should be building trust within the team?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Chris&#8230;</p>
<p>I think the better question&#8230;<br />
How do we manage what is impossible to quantify? </p>
<p>And I think that you are right in that we break out those things that are quantifiable and perfect them and we leave the rest up God.  </p>
<p>I think the hard balance here is making sure that we don&#8217;t raise that which is quantifiable (ie. number of wrong notes, number of hours rehearsing, number of people saying &#8220;the music was awesome&#8221;) to an inappropriate level.  Because, though it is definitely important, it isn&#8217;t in the end why we are there.  </p>
<p>As Mike says all the time &#8220;The one thing that God wants from us is the one thing we can hide from everyone.&#8221; A win happens when everyone leading is doing so out of the right motive and intention&#8230;which in the end can only known by God.  </p>
<p>So for me the real win is being able to TRUST that those leading with you are there for the right reasons&#8230;</p>
<p>So as far as managing a team &#8230; I guess the goal should be building trust within the team?</p>
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		<title>By: cdenning</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdenning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I use the term &quot;manage&quot; or &quot;measure&quot;, I&#039;m talking about the practice of said worship. If one were to try to lead people in worship haphazard way without preparing at all, he would be looked at as a bad steward of his position and influence within the body. I feel like the organization and preparation of the worship deserves to be managed and measured in a way that results in excellence that honors God and others. 

Can God be honored outside of excellence? Sure, but I feel like failing to seek to do your best in whatever you do, for the glory of God, is to be irresponsible and wasteful to whatever responsibilities God has placed with you. I feel that in order to pursue excellence in leading worship, you must first seek God and then learn to manage and measure your progress, among other things. 

Also, I used the term &quot;absolute win&quot; to poke fun at the idea that there is one golden way to lead worship and that someone may claim to &quot;understand&quot; it, not to insinuate that there is an absolute win within any context of worship. I&#039;m glad you have concerns with this, because I&#039;m a big planner and programmer and I tend to not see things as others might. It helps to hear from others much wiser than I. :)

cd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I use the term &#8220;manage&#8221; or &#8220;measure&#8221;, I&#8217;m talking about the practice of said worship. If one were to try to lead people in worship haphazard way without preparing at all, he would be looked at as a bad steward of his position and influence within the body. I feel like the organization and preparation of the worship deserves to be managed and measured in a way that results in excellence that honors God and others. </p>
<p>Can God be honored outside of excellence? Sure, but I feel like failing to seek to do your best in whatever you do, for the glory of God, is to be irresponsible and wasteful to whatever responsibilities God has placed with you. I feel that in order to pursue excellence in leading worship, you must first seek God and then learn to manage and measure your progress, among other things. </p>
<p>Also, I used the term &#8220;absolute win&#8221; to poke fun at the idea that there is one golden way to lead worship and that someone may claim to &#8220;understand&#8221; it, not to insinuate that there is an absolute win within any context of worship. I&#8217;m glad you have concerns with this, because I&#8217;m a big planner and programmer and I tend to not see things as others might. It helps to hear from others much wiser than I. <img src='http://www.cdenning.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>cd</p>
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		<title>By: liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The purpose for this is summed up really well with a quote saying, “You can’t manage what you can’t measure”. &quot;

this is my question about applying BUSINESS principles to BODY life: do we really want to &#039;manage&#039; worship? and how do you &#039;measure&#039; worship, or &#039;successful worship&#039;?

I have trouble placing the phrase an &#039;absolute win in a worship setting&#039; into a biblical context . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The purpose for this is summed up really well with a quote saying, “You can’t manage what you can’t measure”. &#8221;</p>
<p>this is my question about applying BUSINESS principles to BODY life: do we really want to &#8216;manage&#8217; worship? and how do you &#8216;measure&#8217; worship, or &#8217;successful worship&#8217;?</p>
<p>I have trouble placing the phrase an &#8216;absolute win in a worship setting&#8217; into a biblical context . . .</p>
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